Kobus van Rensburg – A Self Anointed Prophet
21 February, 2008 — DeborahKobus van Rensbrug is a ‘prophet’ from South Africa. He follows the word of faith doctrine and dominion theology. I have watched him a few times on TV and all I can do is just shake my head in dismay - he is one of those preachers that can talk for hours but says nothing. When he gives a prophecy it rhymes like a poem! And he views himself in a very good light as being extremely sought after to bring the ‘good news’ to the nations.
Kobus says that he and his wife are the ‘sole’ founders of Spirit Word Ministries. So is he saying that God had nothing to do with it? Must be!
But let’s talk about humility here for a second or two. I don’t see it in Kobus, I see pride. Look at me, ‘I am renowned and appreciated and sought after and people sit for hours at a time just listening to me, me, me because I accurately quote scripture all the time which might I add is seldom seen or heard in this age.’
Watch his videos on his website where he ‘slays’ people in the ‘spirit’. He uses words like ‘bam bam’ as he knocks people over with his ‘invisible’ power – like he is some kind of super hero. But interestingly enough he also makes a ‘swoosh’ sound which I have heard before in other preachers who ‘slay’ people using the same ’spirit’. Who are you channeling Kobus?
And it seems they found what they were looking for:
Why are you seeking a Roman Catholic Crucifix? With all your ‘anointing’, how did you come to ignore the Holy Spirit on this issue? Did you wake up one morning with biblical amnesia and forget that Roman Catholicism is Anti-Christ? Or is it because you actually believe in Ecumenism and that one day soon you will have a sermon on the Holy Mother of God and another sermon on all religions lead to one God? Judging by the fact that you visited TB Joshua I would say the latter rings very true.
Jesus Said “It Is Finished!” By Keith Green: The Catholic Chronicles - http://www.gracegems.org/7/catholic_chronicles.htm
Every true believer loves the sound of these words: ‘It is finished!’ (John 19:30). For it is the wonderful exclamation that the Lord’s suffering was finally over - He had fulfilled His mission! Jesus had lived a Life of Sorrow, bearing the burden of a world gone mad. He had been rejected by everyone, even His closest friends. He had lived a perfect life before men and God, and His reward on earth was to be laughed at, spat upon, beaten beyond recognition, and finally nailed to a cross. But He had submitted willingly, because it was the will of His Father to offer Him as the satisfaction of the penalty for all the sin in the world - past, present and future!
But here, in the words of a Roman Catholic priest, is the ‘true meaning’ of the words ‘it is finished!’ “These words do not declare that His sacrifice was finished, but that He had finished His former, normal, earthly life and was now fixed in the state of a victim…He then began His everlasting career as the perpetual sacrifice of the new law.” Hence, according to Rome, Jesus must be forever “perpetually” dying for sin.
Have you ever wondered why in every Catholic Church they still have Jesus up on the cross? Every crucifix with Jesus portrayed as nailed to it, tells the whole Catholic story - Jesus is still dying for the sins of the world! But that’s a lie! We need only look to the Scriptures to see the truth.
It says, ‘God has really anointed Prophet Kobus van Rensburg in this ministry of miracles. Carry this cloth with you or just put your hand on the hand of Prophet Kobus & agree for your miracle.’
You’ve got to be kidding. ‘Just put your hand on the hand of Prophet Kobus and agree for your miracle?’ - with advertising and everything printed on the same cloth. Are you God? Oh wait, you follow ‘word of faith/dominion theology’, of which Kenneth Copeland says yes, ‘I am a god’. I just absolutely detest the way you even signed your signature next to your hand print.
Folks, I don’t know what kind of spirit comes with this cloth, but whatever it is it is NOT of God.
REVIVAL:
On Kobus’ website in the following sermon: www.spiritword.org.za/Sermons/English/STEC/sermonTimesofRevival.htm
Kobus says, “Only when the all things have been restored will Jesus come again. He is going to stay in heaven at the right hand of the Father. From God’s presence must first come times of refreshing. That refreshing will cause the restoration. If we seek God, we will get revival. If revival comes, restoration of all the things of which the prophets of old spoke about will come and then Jesus will return.”
www.africanaquatics.co.za/_christian/_articles/kvrensburg.htm says: “This is Restoration/Dominion theology – which advocates that Christians should take power of the earth, create dominion and then, only then, will Jesus come back. Not only does this belittle and demean our Saviour, but it makes men into little demi-gods. What is fundamental to understanding the last days before Jesus comes back, is the fact that Jesus Himself said there would be an APOSTASY, a falling away, before He comes back. NOT a Revival! Anyone who preaches or prophesies revival of the western church (the church of Laodicea) in the last days is biblically illiterate.
The Laodicean church is lukewarm, comfortable, rich, preaching what people want to hear, not what they should be hearing – and if you read Revelation 3, Jesus is ready to spit this church out of His mouth! How true this is of the church of today!
And what says the Lord:
2 Tim 4: 3 “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
2 Peter 2: 1 “But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.”
Jer 5: 30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land; 31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so.”
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Oh boy! money, money, money maketh the ‘Prophet’ big and fat. What amazes me is how Kobus has this thing for filling in ‘the missing words’ in biblical scripture. He does it all over his website and in all his sermons. The bible says: Proverbs 30:5-6 “Every word of God is pure; he is a shield to those who put their trust in Him. Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.”
THE KOBUS VERSE (tainted) Philippians 1:5-6 5 “(I thank my God) for your fellowship (your sympathetic cooperation and contributions and partnership) in advancing the good news (the Gospel) from the first day (you heard it) until now. 6 And I am convinced and sure of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will continue until the day of Jesus Christ (right up [to]sic the time of His return) developing (that good work) and perfecting and bringing it to full completion in you.”
THE REAL VERSE (untainted) Philippians 1:4-7 “3 I thank my God upon every remembrance of you, 4 Always in every prayer of mine for you all making request with joy, 5 For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now; 6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ” 7 Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defense and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace.”
Looking at the above scriptures: The book of Kobus 1: 5-6 vs Philippians 1:4-7, you can clearly see that both these verses are now different – so after Kobus added his ‘thoughts’, the meaning of the verse changed.
This is what Kobus is saying by twisting the above verse: ‘I thank my God for giving me all your money, your sympathetic cooperation, contributions, and partnerships. (I’m using it to advance the Gospel…really!) and I hope that He who began a good work in you will continue developing your good work and perfecting it and bring it to full completion so that you will continue to give me money.’
The real meaning of Philippians 1:4-7 is this: I am very thankful for every remembrance of you, I pray for you all the time; for joy, for your fellowship in the gospel from the first day we met until now, being confident in this that He who began a good work in you (being saved and living a Holy Spirit filled life – not works) will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ. I think this of you all, for you are in my heart, and in the defense and confirmation of the gospel, we are all partakers of my grace.
Kobus 1:5-6 is all about you giving him your money / Philippians 1:4-7 is all about love and prayer for our true brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ.
What a contrast. And Kobus says ‘People sit for hours at a time as he accurately quotes scripture after scripture.” Yeah right!
But as you can see, he now has an Online Partnership form where you can set up a debit order and just let your money flow easily and freely into his account. Kobus says, “You fill a debit (as a partner) to Spirit Word Ministries, that then brings the credit, in other words your debit is the Ministries’ credit, now the good work has started and God will complete it. How? By Philippians 4:17 “Not that I seek or am eager for (your) gift, but I do seek and am eager for the fruit which increases to your credit (the harvest of blessings that is accumulating to your account.)” Accumulating credit account for you – because you are a partner – WOW? So complete your form to be a partner. Let the channel broadcast, let the church grow – you are a partner.”
Sounds like a Nigerian 411 scam. ‘Welcome to the Spirit Word Ministries ‘Blessing of the Month Competition’. Enter now and you ‘could’ be blessed with a really large amount of money. But before you can be blessed you need to send us X amount of $$$ on a monthly basis. Now don’t just send us your money, you gotta have faith!! For without faith you ain’t gonna get blessed. And if you don’t get a blessing, it can only be one of two things; 1) you don’t have enough faith or 2) you didn’t give me (sorry I meant God) enough money. But as I stand before you today as Profit Kobus van Rensburg, I can tell you that I am blessed all the time. Every time I check my bank account and see another credit I thank ‘my’ God.
- Please read this article: (From another very concerned South African with regards to Kobus van Rensburg): http://discerningtheworld.wordpress.com/2008/03/28/appeal-to-kobus-van-rensburg-and-to-many-others-who-preach-another-kind-of-gospel/
- Please read this article with regards to questioning, juging or doubting a minister or ‘prophets’ teachings, signs and wonders. We are to TEST all things before we deem them to be from God (be a Berean) and WARN others so that they are not led astray by wolves in sheeps clothing: http://discerningtheworld.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/is-it-right-to-question-or-doubt-a-prophet-etc/
- Please read this wonderful article on descernment written by Anton Bosch: http://discerningtheworld.wordpress.com/how-to-discern/
- Some scriptures to help keep you safe from deception: http://discerningtheworld.wordpress.com/scriptures-to-remember-that-will-help-keep-you-safe-from-deception/







24 February, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Deborah,
I see America does not have exclusive claim to false prophets. I am praying for the believer’s that have been enticed by Mr. Van Rensburg’s brand of deceit. I am praying that your voice proclaiming the truth–as well as all others who are doing the same–will drown out the lies being perpetrated by this wolf in sheep’s clothing. May eyes be made to see, hearts be made to feel and ears be made to hear the truth of Who God is and who he is not! And may the Lord extend mercy to those caught up in this trap, extend His great mercy even to Kobus van Rensburg. If God can forgive the horrific sins of King Manasseh of Judah then perhaps He will do the same to Kobus if hsi heart is truly repentant.
13 March, 2008 at 11:14 pm
I pray that God’s grace may be upon you so that you may see that Prophet Kobus Van Rensburg is really a man of God. The word of God he preaches is always accompanied by miracles and I wonder if you can perform even a single act of miracle to prove your point. Prophet Kobus is an annointed man of God and you better repent and ask God forgiveness for touching His annointed in this way. I’ve been there at Spirit Word and ever since I went there my life was nenver the same. The word preached there is different in that it has POWER. I don’t even want to talk about American Pastors cause most of them preach FEEL GOOD Message that is powerless. REPENT, SWALLOW YOUR PRIDE AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT/TRUTH THAT KOBUS IS THE MAN OF GOD…If you think Kobus is a false prophet then who is a true prohet? Help Us.
14 March, 2008 at 2:01 am
>> I’ve been there at Spirit Word and ever since I went there my life was nenver the same.
When one gets truly saved (you can be in your own bedroom at the time) your life will never never be the same again.
>> The word of God he preaches is always accompanied by miracles and I wonder if you can perform even a single act of miracle to prove your point.
And Jesus said: Matthew 12 v 27 “And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.” In other words, Satan can perform miracles.
>> The word preached there is different in that it has POWER.
That’s strange, is the word that is preached there different to the Word of God (bible)? For the Word of God when read by yourself in your own bedroom will have POWER!
>> I don’t even want to talk about American Pastors cause most of them preach FEEL GOOD Message that is powerless.
95% of the sermons on Kobus’ website are about prosperity.
>> you think Kobus is a false prophet then who is a true prohet? Help Us.
His name is Jesus Christ!
22 March, 2008 at 5:14 pm
You use the word in Kobus’s partenership form to show that he is corrupting the word for his own Glory to receive money firstly you misprint the first portion which you put as think while it says thanks on the form that I read and secondly the translation being used is the amplified bible if you don’t know it read it a bit I find nop harm in him(Kobus Van Rensburg)
23 March, 2008 at 9:37 am
Hi Allen
I apologise I made a typo, either way what he says is still wrong. And if your amplified bible included the words (your sympathetic cooperation and contributions and partnership) or anything else he added then I’ll eat my hat…which I don’t own so I will have to go out a buy one.
Secondly, you can’t find anything wrong that he went to see TB Joshua, or that he now has a crucifix in his church, etc etc etc etc etc? At the end of the day only the Holy Spirit can speak to you about this and convict you.
26 March, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Hi deborah.I think Kobus van rensburg is a false prophet.Before i was watching some of his sermons but i found that the using crucifix is demoniac.The word of God never changes,The Lord defends to represent any thing in the heaven or the earth or the sea.
Some of his sermons like RAPTURE,CAUGHT UP,THE BATTLE OF ARMAGGEDDON are false
serge kapend from Democratic Republic of Congo.
28 March, 2008 at 4:02 pm
wens jy kon afrikaans verstaan…..deborha jy maak my gat lam!!!!!!
trust me girl theres nothing wrong withe this man…be carfull what you say to GODS ANOINTED…and go buy that hat caus that is what the amplifide bibel says..but may you have a good life and may GOD open your eyes….tarra parra
28 March, 2008 at 6:19 pm
Hi Michelle
Ek kan afrikaans verstaan.
So you think it’s quite ok that Kobus gets this spiritual upliftment from TB Joshau who believes that “There is no deity besides ALLAH. God has no son.” ? Think about this very carefully before you answer that question.
As for the amplified bible; it doesn’t matter what bible his stuff comes out of, it’s still twisted to suit his propserity needs.
Please read a new article I just posted about Kobus on this site, this one’s ever better than mine ;) And if you still can’t see anything wrong with the man, then I’ll just have to pray that the Holy Spirit opens your eyes to the truth.
http://discerningtheworld.wordpress.com/2008/03/28/appeal-to-kobus-van-rensburg-and-to-many-others-who-preach-another-kind-of-gospel/
1 April, 2008 at 7:39 am
We just need to keep on smiling God is awesome Deborah keep your eyes on Jesus not man focus on Him God knows what He’s doing do you think for one moment that pointing your finger at Kobus will cause God to take His eye of YOU come on He’s in control stop you finger pointing I’m sure your not perfect and besides is your sin smaller that Kobos sin please we all know sin is sin so stop it your not perfect and neither I’m I
1 April, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Hi Whill
No I am not perfect, and I always smile and keep my eyes on Jesus not man.
If you see a suspicious car roaming around your neighborhood and they pull up to your neighbors’ house and you can clearly see they are not there to visit but to rob your neighbors’ would you call the police?
The same way if someone is leading believers astray with deceitful doctrine would you not warn those to be careful so that they do not get hurt spiritually, emotionally and eternally?
30 June, 2008 at 2:38 pm
prophet i follw your teaching over the loveword here in cameroon.i am always higly bleess when ever i see you.you are indeed a man of god.i am a born again and i realy do beleive in god.he died to set me free.he is the piller that holds my life.prophet please i want you to pray for me.i want to be more in the spirit and to realy no the the bible.
8 July, 2008 at 10:55 am
Hi there.Why are people always doing this? There is Spiritual people out there you know? People can decide for themselves.
Each preacher is judged by he’s own words..and this man says they will get healed and they do..
So I’ll say like the man who got healed from blindness..I don’t know if he’s a sinner or not but I was blind and now I can see.
No one can do these things unless God be with him..
8 July, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Immortal
Who healed you? Jesus Christ or Kobus van Rensburg?
9 July, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Hi Deborah.
NKJV Romans 14:4
4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
NKJV Acts 5:38-39
38 And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; 39 but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow it—lest you even be found to fight against God.”
Peace
9 July, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Hi Jaime
Romans 14:4 refers to the religious traditions and personal preferences of people; i.e., eating pork, keeping the Sabbath Day. And that God judges each believer on what matters not what they eat etc. So please pick another verse to back up Kobus van Rensburgs heresies.
Acts 5: 38-39 refers to Gamaliel who was a pharisee who was a teacher of the Law. When the apostles where brought before the Council they were on the verge of being killed for preaching the Gospel. Gamaliel subdued the crowd and said the above. These were not GOD’s words or a command from God but an historical account of what Gamaliel said hence the apostles were let go.
Peace
10 July, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Jesus throught Kobus…not through you..Probably wouldn’t happen for alot of people if there wasn’t people that does the works of Jesus.
What Kobus preaches does not hurt anyone..spiritually or eternally.The opposite seems to be true.I could point you to some preachers that do hurt people..like the ones making people burn R100 000 worth of furniture and decorations because they said its of the devil..that is hurting people..
Asking money to rebuild the Jewish temple..that is hurting people..etc..
10 July, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Your argument is extreemly weak.
11 July, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Deborah are you baptized
11 July, 2008 at 5:50 pm
If you are your mind and understanding should be opened by the Spirit in order to understand the Word through the Spirit.
and if Kobus bothers you so much why don’t you become a do’er of the Word and Be anxious about nothing, but in all things with thanksgiving present your requests before the Lord… and prayer Kobus away.
I would love to see you tell Kobus to his face what you think rather than come online where he would never hear you.
I bet he will lay hands on you and you will receive the same anointing he received when T.B Joshua prayed for him.
FIRE!!! OF THE HOLY GHOST!!!
RECEIVE!!!
11 July, 2008 at 5:58 pm
You believe with your head and not your heart.
12 July, 2008 at 6:17 am
Your work is great - keep on exposing these false prophets and deceivers. It is long time that somebody starts exposing the errors of false religion in a nation that considers itself - 70% religious (Christian).
12 July, 2008 at 10:43 am
Jaime
>> I bet he will lay hands on you and you will receive the same anointing he received when T.B Joshua prayed for him. FIRE!!! OF THE HOLY GHOST!!! RECEIVE!!!
I REBUKE Satan operating through you in the Name of JESUS CHRIST!!
12 July, 2008 at 6:49 pm
As far as I remember TB Joshua does not believe in the 1st and 3rd (Holy Spirit) of the Trinity. So he has thus internal inconsistencies with his views on the ministry of the Holy Spirit. May I recommend the book Holy Spirit by Robert Gromacki.
12 July, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Hi Anton
There is so much about TB Joshua that is just so wrong I can’t even begin to comment on it in this small space. The internet is full of articles about him and his strange beliefs, demonic healings and anointings.
12 July, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Hi, there seems to be a tendence by pastors in SA and all over the world to visit TB Joshua. I know, the church( AGS in SA) i went to, and the pastor i was close to, went. Quess what, he came back with strange power. One night at a prayer meeting he felled me at a distance of 20 m with a electrical current. Soon after this he had a Holy Spirit conference and a pastor who was healing by the power of an angel was the main attraction. Also i requested to be baptised and there was lots of excuses. Something connecting to Kobus van Rensburg is the focus on money and seeding etc. Anyone been to Charis church in Pta?
13 July, 2008 at 1:41 am
I am watching Kobus right now and I will not stop.
all of you are analyzing and questioning which is because you are doubting and have unbelief and unbelief is sin.
A little webpage that not many will see is the ideal place for unbelievers.
God speed to your little endeavor.
I am gonna go feed my spirit on Channel 41.
SpiritWord for the win.
13 July, 2008 at 1:47 am
Jaime
All righty then…run head on into apostasy. At least I can’t say I didn’t warn you.
13 July, 2008 at 1:56 am
Hi Corne
Charis church? Nope, have not heard of them. What do they do there?
14 July, 2008 at 5:08 am
Hi Deborah,
I’ve been there once or twice, it is the tipical charismatic church of today(mega), some of my dear family are still there, but the same thing as all over, focus on money, signs and wonders without any real preaching of substance. I’m no longer in SA. I’ve been doing some studying re TB Joshua after the strange power of our pastor, and its red flags all the way. Now i’m wondering if our pastors do not know better, or is it this spirit that is spreading through our churches… Power=Money??
14 July, 2008 at 1:58 pm
not here to argue, just telling you the facts.. this discernment websites is just jealous people..I once found this one website about a guy who quotes all the scriptures these discernment websites do..and he called his website http://www.antichrist... he only proved what he wanted..he is the antichrist John spoke about.
You don’t know TB Joshua. Have you went to TB Joshua?Have you visited him? Spoken to him? Do not be so spiritual.. its seem your rebuke didn’t work on Jaime? No demon I guess..or your wrong.
14 July, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Dear Deborah..Please take some advice..this sort of website will only attarct the religious people..the people who really love Jesus and are hungry for Him will rather listen to someone who has the power of God working in them and has proof. Quoting a few scriptures proves nothing.
See the thing is..if people like these guys you are trying to hit have power..and if this is the devil or being deceived..then that is what we should be..because it’s working at least.
If TB Joshua is healing people with the help of demons why anyone go and stop him? Especially the discerning ones.
14 July, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Immortal
Just due to the fact that you can condone a man who has a banner hanging in his temple that says ‘their is no deity but Allah’ speaks volumes about what you believe.
14 July, 2008 at 4:33 pm
If I’m not mistaken he heals in the name of Jesus?! Thats what I believe..Jesus Christ.
Please tell me..if these aren’t men of God.Then who is?
14 July, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Immortal
>> If I’m not mistaken he heals in the name of Jesus?! Thats what I believe..Jesus Christ.
I know that you said quoting scripture means nothing, never the less I am quoting scripture to answer your question: Matthew 7:21-23
“21 Not everyone who says to Me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, “Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?”
23 And then I will declare to them, “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.”
A brief explanation: Just because someone says the name of Jesus, uses the name of Jesus, preaches in the name of Jesus, does miracles in the name of Jesus, heals in the name of Jesus, casts out demons in the name of Jesus, prophecied in the name of Jesus does not mean he is following Jesus. TB Joshua denies Jesus by hanging a banner in his temple that says Allah is in fact God, amongst many other blatantly contradicting things (contradicting to the Bible)
>> Please tell me..if these aren’t men of God.Then who is?
I tell you what, go pick up your bible and study it (not just read it) for yourself and then come back and tell me. There are many truly Godly men/women out there - TB Joshau is NOT one of them.
14 July, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Hi Deborah, have you seen the Miracles on the Spirit Word Website? It’s truly amazing! people getting healed of Cancer and HIV and various diseases! No man can perform such miracles if God is not with him..
14 July, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Hi Blessed
>> No man can perform such miracles if God is not with him..
Please read above verse I quoted for Immortal. Matthew 7:21-23
14 July, 2008 at 5:14 pm
It amazes me how people completely throw away the Word of God because of signs and wonders. Signs and Wonders are more important than testing and weighing what is seen and heard in this day and age.
God tells you to make sure all things you hear and see can be biblically backed up by His Word (Bible). Why?? Because many false teachers have gone out into the world to deceive you with teachings that are so close to being biblically correct but at the same time are soooo far away from being biblically correct. And it’s going to get worse and worse and worse.
You read the above article and completely ignore the fact that he goes to see a man who DENIES Jesus Christ and then try tell me to just forget that part - just focus on the miracles. YAY for miracles! Don’t quote scripture or study your bible - it’s soooo last season and you are just being way too spiritual! Just follow the signs and wonders, that’s all you need to do…does not really matter what ‘god’ did the miracle, just as long as it’s AMAZING!
14 July, 2008 at 10:35 pm
Well I’m glad your doctrine is perfect..youve got it all I guess?????? Just because TB Joshua heals people doesn’t mean he he’s got it all either..
Thats just the point I’m making..I’m into the word..but also doing the word..
But this site is like..Whooo listen to meee I know exactly how to discern because no one can fool me…I got it all..and you don’t. You’ve spent so much time trying to diss preachers, you’ve lost the hunger to have God and all he said in his word.
Are you going to quote Matthew 7:21-23 to every guy that does miracles and don’t have the perfect doctrine according to you?
Yes the allah thing on the wall is weird..have you ever heard what he says about it? Is it still on his wall at this moment?Maybe he saw took it off.. and so by the way..this is in nigeria! Do you really think they would have all the foundations you started on when you got saved?
14 July, 2008 at 11:20 pm
Immortal
>> Do you really think they would have all the foundations you started on when you got saved?
Yes, it’s called the bible (the foundation), you have one too, but as you said, “Quoting a few scriptures proves nothing”.
I am ending this conversation. Follow the Word of God or don’t, it’s soley your decision - no one can make this decision for you. God holds each and everyone one of us accountable for our decisions; He says obey my Word, if you chose not too, that’s your decision.
15 July, 2008 at 9:17 am
My last post.I guess it is your decision..
You seem to want to be a pharisee..hitting everyone thats not perfect because you think you are. Otherwise you would not want to try diss people who are also going for God. I repeat : Just because TB Joshua heals people doesn’t mean he’s got it all either..
Some people get saved and don’t fall from heaven you know? If you see someone(a preacher) erring go to him/her with the love of Christ and tell him/her what the word says.That’s how it should be done, because if you can enlighten the preacher then all the people that you are trying to warn with this website will anyway hear the truth!and if they don’t listen..it might be that your wrong and if he’s/she’s wrong then God will sort them out.
15 July, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Immortal
Follow the Word of God, it’s simple, no if’s or buts.
19 July, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Corne
>> I’m no longer in SA
Yip I read that on your blog :)
>> Now i’m wondering if our pastors do not know better, or is it this spirit that is spreading through our churches… Power=Money??
I think it’s a mixture of both and possibly something worse as well. 1) They did know better but threw aside the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit for power/signs/wonders/money aka this new spirit that is spreading through the world like wild fire or worse 2) They were never truly saved in the first place and duped their entire church into thinking they were just because they got the degree and read from the bible, but preached another gospel that was so similar to the gospel of Jesus Christ but yet so far.
It’s taken 60+ years possibly longer for this deception to rise to the status it has today. It didn’t just happen over night. Bible schools, seminaries, universities and the like were infultrated years ago and tought truth mixed with lies (that seemed like the truth) to the next generation of ministers. Only those who are truly born again see the error for the Holy Spirit leads us into all truth. The rest either see the truth but give over to lies and fall on the way side or like I said above some were never born again and just studied parot fashion and go on to teach it to their congregation - it’s a business to them.
Satan knows his time is almost up hence he is working overtime. Watch and pray, make sure you test all things; if you feel even the slightest bit uncomfortable about a teaching etc that’s the Holy Spirit warning you - listen to Him - open your bible and study the Word of God, test all things long and hard like the Bereans did with Paul’s teachings before one approves anything to be of God.
A lot of times I myself come across men and women who seem on the surface to be genuine and on more than one occassion I thought, ‘it is possible? does this person really have the gift of prophecy? do these videos really validate that they have the ‘gift of healing? etc’. But deep down I was uncomfortable, but at the same time my heart stirrs to the emotional message portrayed by these ministers. It’s wonderful to witness someone being ‘healed’. It’s very difficult to differentiate between emotions and truth No one likes to be deceived. But the warning is there and when I continue to search the error of their teachings unveil themselves and I sit in a state of shock….once again.
No one is safe from deception - even the most learned (the Elect) - guard yourself WITH the Word of God.
20 July, 2008 at 9:10 am
Hi Deborah,
I’ve been doing a lot of thinking about truth lately. We grew up in the conservative Nederduits type churches in SA. Later we joined an evangelical church, which were full of life, but no visual manifestations etc. Later still we went to the apostolic church, which seemed even more lively, with “slaying in the Spirit”, and some very sincere people. Still, most of this is on the surface, as i have a lot of friends and family in apostolic churches, and they are all still searching for something: the Truth?. Even after this we went to the new generation of charismatic churches, and the fruit seems very real and true. Yet i see lots of searching still going on, especially in this type of churches. People are being fed on “slayings”, looking for healing, but mostly still looking for the Truth.
John14:6 Jesus said to him:”I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
The biggest problem is our lack of faith. This is my opinion. I deal with lots of muslims and buddists in my line of work, and there is no way you can tell them anything re religion, their believe is too strong in what they believe to be the truth. Isn’t this the problem in Christianity? Very few has this strong, unfaltering believe in the power of the death of Jesus on the cross and His resurrection, stting at the right hand of the Father.
I’ve mentioned our pastor’s visit to TB Joshua. After this i noticed on a Christmas card that he, his wife and the children have black circles around their eyes. It was much clearer on the photo than in real life. It just kept me wondering. The thing is i have always believed the eyes is the windows to the soul, as it is written. When i look at Todd Bentley for example, not because i have anything against him, i see black snake eyes. I just see it. I see no light.
Conclusion: With the lack of truth and all the deception out there, we can only worship our God, Lord and Saviour in our actions and faith everyday, and even if it is inside our own house, with two or three together in the Name of Jesus.
P.S. Went to a Benny Hinn visit to Auckland, NZ, when i was still searching. Couldn’t get through the doors even. Thousand of people searching healings and truth. Do not think they got anything there. Jesus is our only Hope, and He is not being preached. What to do??
Blessings.
20 July, 2008 at 9:30 am
Not a minute after i left here, while browsing the afrikaans Sunday paper, Rapport, i saw the following report.
http://www.news24.com/Rapport/Nuus/0,,752-795_2360430,00.html
I think it is in line with this discussion and definitely very disconserting. But unfortunately so true of the late hour of our day. May God keep us from this.
20 July, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Hi Corne
The truth is having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ (no matter what happens). Jesus never promised us wealth, health and happiness on this earth. Things will go wrong and we will suffer harships but our faith (relationship) with Jesus is what will bring us through. He gives us the strength to carry on.
When we seek after other things to validate that Jesus is who He says He is and we don’t just believe through faith, e.g., signs, wonders, prosperty - we will come to a place were countefeits are being presented to us and these signs and wonders that we see are truly mind boggling that we think that only God could do these things.
So how do we tell what is real and what is fake? The Word of God tells us. Unfortunately now-a-days the bible is the last place these pastors want you to go and test to see if what they are doing and saying is true - we are expected to just have faith. That’s not the faith Jesus spoke of, this new type of ‘faith’ is something else. The ‘faith’ in or of the experience outweights the Word of God.
I think there are tons of well meaning Christians who go to these pastors because their spiritual lives are dull and possibly in shambles - they think if they can go to a ‘place’ where God is present they will receive some of this they will be happy again. Unfortunately I truly believe what they are receiving is something else. And this something else (demonic) will at first make people feel alive in God like their ‘faith’ has been renewed and they come back for more and more until one day (could be years) they find themselves following a ‘faith’ that is no longer the true Gospel of Jesus Christ, in fact it’s completely erroneous. The deception is that Jesus’ name is mentioned, they say what happens to them is from the Holy Spirit but they now follow a completely a new ‘faith’.
A while ago I was speaking to someone about Muslims and I used the example of a muslim child who is raised in the muslim faith and is made to learn and read the Koran and goes to mosque every friday without fail for the rest of his life and never complains. Then you have a child born into a christian family, they take him to Sunday school (and he hates it), he ends up going to church because he is forced to go with his parents (and he hates it) and sooner or later rebels completely and wants nothing to do with Jesus. He will follow or accept any other religion as long as it’s not the truth about Jesus Christ. We also have to remember, that when a child wants nothing to do with Jesus Christ he is not excommuniated from his family and persecuted.
The hardest path to follow is the truth - Jesus said, :”I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” Satan will do anything and I mean anything to have you not believe in Jesus and have a personal relationship with Him - this includes you believing in a counterfeit Jesus. There are millions of gods out there (Allah is the god of the moon and stars, a high level demon, Mirtha is the god of the sun for Catholics, a high level demon, Isis was the goddess of fertility in Egyptian times who becamse Dianna in Celtic times and became Mary for Roman Catholics….and then there are 3+ million gods in Hinduinism). And then to make matters worse in the christian faith there is a counterfeit Jesus, the one presented in cults and now on the world stage by well known ministers. They read from the bible - but the message is twisted and it leads people away from the real Jesus Christ.
I am almost certain, I need to do more research but the Jesus presented by the Elijah List, God TV, TBN etc, etc, etc could very possibly be the New Age Cosmic Christ - disguised as Jesus Christ. This is why New Agers welcome the new Christian faith that is taking the world by storm for it resembles very closely the Cosmic Christ (the anti-Christ).
I went to read that article you sent me. Unbelievable. I had no idea Benn Him was at the Coca-Cola Dome recently - gosh I just live around the corner (could have gone and written an expose). And 5 minutes into reading the article my husband tells me that on Special Assignment this coming Tuesday they are having a program on ‘Preachers raking in money for ‘God”. How bizarre is that?
I said to my mom a few days ago, God gave us a brain with logic and common sense. When you get saved, you don’t lose your logic and common sense - so ‘what’ is preventing people from ‘thinking’?
The plot thickens…lol
20 July, 2008 at 3:20 pm
The truth shall set you free. I used to be in bondage for many years. Never understood God’s will for us and also his about grace and mercy. So much under the law. I used to be depressed, weepy, angry, unforgiving and wicked…. Since I listened to Pastor Kobus and people like him who preach grace. I am free, free free. No more bondage.
Please people those who judge others go back to the word of God — who are you to judge others or point fingers. If you do not like it, then do not listen to it.
Keep your evil thoughts and tongue to yourself, Keep what is good for you. and do not condemn others. That is written all over in the word…… God gave you the wisdom, also read the word about judging others — leave others alone. It is between them and God. Remember no one is perfect. Pastor Kobus never gave me the impression that he is sin free.
At least he helps those who has ears. My eyes and ears opened. I am set free from many evil things within a short period. After years of struggling, just by just listening.
Is a transformed mind bad … Is that demonic or evil? No my life changed for the better. I used to be bitter and twisted….. I now put the past behind me. forgave the many who did bad to me, …
Wow. I wish that all people are so devoted and obedient to God. I now have a life again. What a awesome God we have.
And thanks to those God’s people who are willing to preach the truth…. no matter the evil talk that comes from “Christians” lips, and by the way I get my guidance from the Holy Spirit too. I am led by the Spirit, so it the Spirit tells me that is good, or he tells me no I listen, So people do not rely on other people. Rather ask the Holy Spirit for guidance. IF YOU HAVE THE SPIRIT THEN YOU WILL NOT JUDGE. THAT IS ALSO EVIL.
The Pastors teachings helped me to be free, to come to Jesus and to trust in my Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit not in humans. Prophets are there to help.
Jesus came to his own, but they rejected him and killed the prophets…….and him
20 July, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Francis
>> The Pastors teachings helped me to be free
I’m confused, did Jesus teachings based soley on the Word of God set your free or did Kobus van Rendburg teachings set you free? You say Kobus helped you come to Jesus and not rely on human teaching, but you contradict yourself and say it was the pastor’s teachings who helped set you free.
Also if you studied the word of God, in practically ALL the books of the NT we are told to judge according to the Word of God. Judge the things that men are teaching! And EXPOSE them. I do not judge Kobus on what he looks like or what he does (however the product of what he does stems from the error he teaches: prosperity gospel and Kingdom Now/Dominionist Theology which goes against the Word of God). In the OT false prophets were put to death, in the NT they are judged on what they preach and if it contradicts the true gospel of Jesus Christ they are to be named so that people are WARNED are not led astray.
If you think that hoisting up a Roman Catholic crucifix in his church is Godly then I am sorry Francis, but you you need to go do some research as to why Jesus is permanently nailed to the catholic cross - it’s blasphemous! And if you find that acceptable then I rest my case.
Because I know you will not go and study the the bible on your own accord without the help of Kobus’ teachings to guide you here are just a few verses about judging men who preach a false gospel:
Deuteronomy 13 v 12-14 “13 If you hear it said about one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you to live in 13 that wicked men have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town.” (Sword = Word of God)
Titus 1 v 9 “Holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict.”
1 Timothy 1 v 3 “That you may charge some that they teach no other doctrine”
John 7 v 24 Jesus said: “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment” (using the Word of God)
Rom 16 v 17 “Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them”
1 Corinthians 5 v 9 v 13 “9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10 I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. 11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler–not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13 But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES
(‘Do not judge those who are within the Church?’ - This is an angry response by Paul to those who say ‘do not judge those within the church’, he is saying, WHAT? REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.)
Lastly just for interest sakes, you sure are against judging but yet you judge me. Go figure. And one more thing, if you are completely led by the Holy Spirit, He WILL ALWAYS lead you to your bible to find scripture to back up Kobus teachings and the things he does. If you solely rely on ’some’ voice to tell you what’s good and what’s not and DO NOT search the Word of God to clarify what you are feel and hear then how do you know what you are listening too is telling the truth!
21 July, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Debora
I have to set you straight. I only started to listen to the Pastors sermons since April this year. 2008
I got guidance from the Holy Spirit since last year July. 2007 I suffered severe trauma. I were confused. I trusted God but I did not know God. My torment carried on until early
this year.
I had this idea about God…….. like it were preached by Reformed preachers and some other well meaning preachers years ago, I grew up like that….if you do sin you will go to hell and burn. So you better watch out……..or you are destroyed.
The Holy Spirit started to guide me, started July 2007. tried to help me but I got fearful, guilt ridden, and confused because of what were preached to me…. in the past and also because of my environment, and all that what has happened to me….
I knew nothing about mercy and grace. Nor did I understand that That He loves us, and wants the best for us As I say…….. I had a very disturbed idea about God….and about life…because of many issues.
I had fear, I were confused, because I had years of bad experiences from “kind loving Christians” bad mouthing, back stabbing, specially when you suffer they even slander you more…… and even make you loose your job, because of their lies…. so dear Christian Debora” do not judge. I trusted no one not even God because of co called well meaning judging Christians.
Suddenly my life fell apart END OF 2006, always had a good life…..My life got shattered,,,,,,,,, you loose a loved one…..and then you think why am i LIVING…, all of a sudden - no family, no support, trauma time, “friends” run away, and even talk. so no friends I just saw just a bleak future… living in another country, not my own, with language difficulties, And if you cannot speak the language properly, your chances of getting another job is basically null….there are few real Christians here, so but by GOD’s grace and mercy, I got over it since listening to sermons about grace and mercy.
God has healed my depressed, broken tormented mind quickly, without the help of human beings in the form of psychologists, and and and. The Holy Spirit guided me to listen to the pastors sermons, on grace and mercy, in the time that I NEEDED IT THE MOST. You see God could not help me because I did not understand, but he is so faithful he made another plan.
I was alone all by myself. Just with God on my side…even the fact that I were not always friendly with God. I sometimes really got mad at God, but he loves me so much that he supported me in all. He is always faithful, even if we are not…
Because God loves me and do not want me to suffer more…do you get the picture
I now attend a good church for the past 18 months now - not in South Africa, The Holy Spirit is present there we get messages and guidance from the Holy Spirit every week. God is loving, he means it well with us, We get visions of a loving Kind God….of good
things. Also he reprimands those who walk not in His ways.
And the others who do not attend our church judge us also, says that we are a sect. So people will always see evil and demons everywhere. I know, that I know, that I trust and believe in the true 3 in 1 Living God. God, Jesus and Holy Spirit.
So dear Debora since I started listening to Pastors sermons It helped me to understand that God is loving and kind, he wants the best for His children and It changed my mindset. That helped me to draw closer to God.
You see even in our good church it get preached, God is good, you may sin and God is forgiving, but our dear brothers and sisters there are in so much bondage…. like me, before. So why is that in churches people suffer the most with these issues…. bondage and tormented minds seeking the devil all over the place. Blaming the devil for all there evil doings, but cannot see the truth.
Because the truth does not get preached. I prayed to God and told him there must be so much more to Christianity… Why do I not have the joy, peace, as is promised in the word……. So God opened the way for me. Now I am free, no more mental, torment, pain and guilt. He gave me the key to the secrets of kingdom.
The sermons in our church is good are , but It frustrating to me.
You know why, Preachers preach, the church after many years still struggle with many issues …….because they are milk suckers. Thy listen but the word does not penetrate deep enough….. Too much in bondage, rely on books like 7 steps to happy fulfilled lives ect…..because they do not know the truth. The truth shall set you free. So dear Debora are you free?
You can only be free, when you know who you are in Christ. The Pastor’s sermons helped me to find the key.
So the truth — I found and I am free —-Turn away from your sins, your wicked tongue and thoughts, keep it under control…… and love do not condemn and judge.
Strange those are the mayor things that the Spirit led me to. last year……to forgive and forget what and who has done bad to you… That is what the Pastor also preach. The Holy Spirit told me few times last year to turn my back on the past to look up and not left or right. I just did not know how to, because wicked, evil minded people around me robbed me from seeing God’s glory.
You see pastor Kobus helped me in that respect. He is bold enough to preach that. After few sermons the bitterness and anger in my life started to heal, and God could start moving in my life. Halelujah Praise to God.
Also, what you think that is what you are. Own thoughts make us or break us. So if people want to be narrow minded —- eyes are fixed on Jesus still hanging on the cross and believe he is still hanging there. It is your own mind. No one tells you what to believe, It is your decision. If you see demons all over the place then that is what you will get……
The pastor never said, and I do not believe it either that Jesus is still hanging, I see the crucifix daily —it is not demonic. I do net feel evil around me because I do not look for them…..
It is a reminder for people for what HAS HAPPENNED on the cross, that Jesus died for OUR sins, and that we must not forget what God did for us, by letting his own Son suffer and died such a terrible death for us. To me it is a sign of God’s everlasting and unconditional love for us.
So if I see Jesus on the cross, it does not mean for me he is still hanging. IT HAS HAPPENNED; and I thank God more often when I see the crucifix. BECAUSE THAT MAKES ME JUST MORE AWARE OF GOD’S DEEP LOVE FOR US. I do not worship it, (it is not an Idol ) nor does the people of that congregation. or the Pastor for your information.
You do not need to enlighten me, because my focus is on God, not the crucifix, even if I see it in a church, it does not offend me, because I have Christ in me. I see it thank God, that I understand what happened on the cross, and praise and worship him.
I now happened to work in a Catholic based Psychiatric Hospital. That is where God led me to. I got that job by grace. I wrote only 2 CV’s. And I got that Job without much effort. I went for the interview, and after 5 minutes the job got offered to me…..
I work only 10 days, get a good salary. Have much time to study the Bible as I now work in the night , and I have all the time for God and me…reading and study the truth with the help of the Holy Spirit, because he is preparing me for something else. Also Now I am never alone, God is with me ,he supports me, he linked me with good people, he opens the doors.
God placed me there in my new job. I lost my previous job because of my “religion”. it is Christ in me. People got offended because in spite of my broken heart I always leave my problems at home and go to work with a happy heart….. even when I were confused, it is me, it is who I am…..How God has made me…… The world does not like it.
So dear, stop looking at what others do, rather get your priorities in life in order and you may see the bigger picture.
I am now happy, and content, I do not look on what others say and do.
I just wrote to tell about my experience, please do not slander others because it is not your duty….to tell who is right and who does wrong. God gave all a sound mind and wisdom, to stay in or out of trouble.
I do not take much notice of your rantings, it also does not make sense to me…
I LACKED knowledge before, therefore the confusion, Now that God has showed me the way. WoW I just say again WOW.
I read the bible to see what the word says to me. I take what is good for me, and reject what I do not agree with. See I am an adult, I am not a little child to belittle others.
I just find it interesting that YOU say I judged YOU. Wow that is new to me…. Did I somewhere perhaps mentioned your name, I did not even know about you till this attack. Please inform me exactly so I will be enlightened. I just read a few letters on this site not all , and wrote this letter, based om MY view. Not your view. I did not even wrote this letter based on anybody’s opinion… So please, seems like you are self righteous….
I did not even bothered to look who wrote what.
Also dear ignorant girl. As I notice - you are a seer, or a medium, or what —– you already KNOW that I will not read the word. That is wicked and evil thoughts….
That is wicked it is from the world. How can you predict what is in my life, and it is not even based on the truth…….what I do and not do…….Please God forgive these people because they are ignorant……..
I think I read the word more than you. I read and pray hours long, because God blessed me with an excellent work environment so that I can have the time, so that the Holy Spirit have the ability to work with me …….
In few months I have written books full, from what the Spirit has taught and revealed to me, as I say lllooooonnnngggg before I got to Kobus’s website. So do not judge things that you have no knowledge about.
Do not belittle “some” voice. You offend the Holy Spirit. If what I listen to is wrong. I am sure that God will tell (reprimand) me because I pray often and I have a relationship with God. He will tell me that I am wrong. Because he has done so before —– it happened to me in November last year. God tried to tell me something but I did not understand it….. Because of my tormented mind…… So God told me in the church you have the wrong ideas about me, go and look for the truth.
BEFORE I even knew about the Pastor’s existence. The Holy Spirit guided me to listen to Spirit word so that I can understand God’s word better, God healed my tormented mind in a very short while, so do not slander people who does good work.
I read the word, God gave me the wisdom to keep the good and to throw away the junk. But seems you just read verses and do not compare scripture with scripture. I got prophetic words from different prophets, from Switzerland, Germany, USA, South Africa. on different occasions and it is all the same.
So If I am busy with demonic things. Would the last 3 prophetic words from well known prophets and God loving people like Heidi Baker—— that God is calling me into ministry to help woman and children who are in bondage also be demonic.
Prophetically told and confirmed to me looooonnnnnnggggggg before I even knew about the Pastor’s website.
Open your eves, look up and not to other people. Ask God what is your mission in life, stop sitting on the internet an bla bla. Rather do something about you.
all this slander may just rob you from your blessings.
Keep well and God bless you in abundance , he blessed me
21 July, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Francis,
Believe what you want too. If everything I mentioned in my article about Kobus and TB Joshua does not shock you even in the slightest, then…really…nothing I say will make you see any differently. You can’t even see anything wrong with the fact that Kobus went to see TB Joshua who has banner ‘There is no deity (God) but Allah’ hanging in his temple and Kobus RECEIVED power from him. That alone would shock anyone. So I am left wondering if you believe that Allah and the God of the Bible are one and the same…?…?…?
21 July, 2008 at 6:05 pm
You poor ignorant person
No wonder you are sitting here on the little websites and slander others. You have nothing else to do, you just look at all the evil in the world…. what about the good.
So you tell me now we better watch out, do not eat halal, its evil, do not go to any place where there are crucifixes hanging from somewhere, because it is demonic. So 3/4 of our country here must watch out they are all evil, There are Christian services held in Catholic churches, because of lack of other churches, sol according to you that must be evil too…
There are things in those Churches that are not acceptable for Christians, but God looks at a persons heart, and not the place where he go to worship….because God does not dwell in places…………only in temples, and that is (we) who love, obey and believe in him and who has the Spirit.
You surely lack knowledge…….
Maybe the Allah thing is also a place where the other people meet, maybe Moslems meet there too on other days, It does not mean that the place is demonic…… or that TB is evil. Proof your case, and I will believe you…….. Nowadays Churches meet at Sport stadions, lots of people can go there.
So must we now watch out for the evil demonic “Sport Spirit” because it is not a Building. oooh hhh and that is a football place…….
You know we even rent out our little church bus to Moslems, Big Christian banners on the bus, you might say ooooohhhhhh how evil.
We say hallelujah, they advertise for our Church, for our God as they travel with the little bus all over the City. So does it meant now that we all worship Allah now, because Moslem people also sit in the bus…….thoughts from a very disturbed mind.
TB. Joshua is evil Kobus is evil. So that means all the children in his Bible school are evil too. Their parents, all those thousands that got anointed by him too. Oooh the list goes on and on…
Also all the congregation members are evil, that includes my brother too, me too now who goes there on occasion he who does not even speak one evil word about others…always ready to help others….
Read the word in 1 Cor, even Paul says he has no right to judge, only God can do that.
That last sentence of yours are wicked…, May our God the King of Kings forgive and help you. The true word says that if someone offend you bless him, My dear I bless you with a sincere heart in abundance……May our God help you and be with you
You gave no other comments, just one track mind. May the Holy Spirit guide you into the truth……you make me wonder. You have a poor case. I rest my case now. I will not answer back. Enough said.
21 July, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Francis
>> Maybe the Allah thing is also a place where the other people meet, maybe Moslems meet there too on other days, It does not mean that the place is demonic
No Francis! that photo appread in a HUGE newspaper here in South Africa where TB Joshua had this banner and the crucifix hanging IN HIS temple!
Look, if you want to make excuses, go ahead…I honestly don’t have time to go around and around in circles like this - you are either FOR Jesus or you are against Him. If you want to make escuses for people who can hang blasphemous things like that in their church - honestly go ahead. As for your church you attend that people consider to be a sect…well have you ever thought that maybe it is. [Edited: If you are in a non christian country then yes I would suppose your faith is considered a sect - apologies]
I think I have given you ample space to air your comments.