Postmillennialism, Premillennialism and Amillennialism

I would like to open this topic to comments from everyone with regards to Premillennialism, Postmillennialism and Amillennialism.  The reason being is that I hold a Premillennialism view but I would like to hear from others who believe for instance in Postmillennialism or Amillennialism for that matter and why you believe it to be this way. 

Please note:  I would like to ask that if you do comment on this post to PLEASE state full scripture to back up your comment. 

Below is an article I found on grace online library:  http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/articles/full.asp?id=9|69|846

“Broadly speaking there are three general systems which profess to set forth the teaching of Scripture regarding the Second Coming of Christ and the future course of the Kingdom. They are: Postmillennialism, Amillennialism, and Premillennialism.

The essential presuppositions of the three systems are similar. Each holds that the Scriptures are the word of God and authoritative. Each holds to the same general concept of the death of Christ as a sacrifice to satisfy Divine justice and as the only ground for the salvation of souls. Each holds that there will be a future, visible, personal Coming of Christ. Each holds that every individual is to receive a resurrection body, that all are to stand before the judgment seat of Christ, that the righteous are to be rewarded in heaven, and that the wicked are to be punished in hell. Each of the systems is, therefore, consistently evangelical, and each has been held by many able and sincere men. The differences arise, not because of any conscious or intended disloyalty to Scripture, but primarily because of the distinctive method employed by each system in its interpretation of Scripture, and they relate primarily to the time and purpose of Christ’s coming and to the kind of kingdom that is to be set up at His coming.

It should be helpful at the beginning of this study to define each of the systems as clearly as possible. Exact definitions cannot be given since numerous variations are found within each system. However, we submit the following as essentially correct. The first is our own. The latter three, including that of Dispensationalism, which is a radical form of Premillennialism, are given by Dr. J. G. Vos, a recent writer and son of Dr. Geerhardus Vos who for many years was a professor in Princeton Theological Seminary. These definitions are presented as the most accurate and comprehensive that we have found.

POSTMILLENNIALISM

Postmillennialism is that view of the last things which holds that the Kingdom of God is now being extended in the world through the preaching of the Gospel and the saving work of the Holy Spirit, that the world eventually will be Christianized, and that the return of Christ will occur at the close of a long period of righteousness and peace commonly called the Millennium.

This view is, of course, to be distinguished from that optimistic but false view of human betterment and progress held by Modernists and Liberals which teaches that the Kingdom of God on earth will be achieved through a natural process by which mankind will be improved and social institutions will be reformed and brought to a higher level of culture and efficiency. This latter view presents a spurious or pseudo Postmillennialism, and regards the Kingdom of God as the product of natural laws in an evolutionary process, whereas orthodox Postmillennialism regards the Kingdom of God as the product of the supernatural working of the Holy Spirit in connection with the preaching of the Gospel.

AMILLENNIALISM

‘Amillennialism is that view of the last things which holds that the Bible does not predict a ‘Millennium’ or period of worldwide peace and righteousness on this earth before the end of the world. (Amillennialism teaches that there will be a parallel and contemporaneous development of good and evil — God’s kingdom and Satan’s kingdom — in this world, which will continue until the second coming of Christ. At the second coming of Christ the resurrection and judgment will take place, followed by the eternal order of things — the absolute, perfect Kingdom of God, in which there will be no sin, suffering nor death).’

PREMILLENNIALISM

‘Premillennialism is that view of the last things which holds that the second coming of Christ will be followed by a period of world-wide peace and righteousness, before the end of the world, called ‘the Millennium’ or ‘the Kingdom of God,’ during which Christ will reign as King in person on this earth. (Premillennialists are divided into various groups by their different views of the order of events associated with the second coming of Christ, but they all agree in holding that there will be a millennium on earth after the second coming of Christ but before the end of the world).’

DISPENSATIONALISM

‘The false system of Bible interpretation represented by the writings of J. N. Darby and the Scofield Reference Bible, which divides the history of mankind into seven distinct periods or ‘dispensations,’ and affirms that in each period God deals with the human race on the basis of some one specific principle. (Dispensationalism denies the spiritual identity of Israel and the Church, and tends to set ‘grace’ and ‘law’ against each other as mutually exclusive principles).’

The word millennium is derived from two Latin words, mille, meaning thousand, and annum, meaning year. Hence the literal meaning is a thousand years. The term is found just six times in Scripture, all in the first seven verses of the twentieth chapter of Revelation, an admittedly difficult and highly symbolical portion of Scripture. The prefixes Post-, A-, and Pre-, as used with the word designate the particular view held regarding the thousand years. Premillennialists take the word literally, holding that Christ will set up a Kingdom on earth which will continue for precisely that length of time. Postmillennialists and Amillennialists take the word figuratively, as meaning an indefinitely long period, held by some to be a part, and by others to be the whole, of the Christian era.

Similarly, the word Chiliasm, more commonly used in early Church history than at the present time, comes from the Greek word chilias, also meaning thousand. The early Christians who believed that Christ at His coming would set up a one thousand year Kingdom were called Chiliasts. In their historical setting the words Chiliasm and Premillennialism have been used as synonyms, and it is commonly understood that today those who bear the name Premillennialists are logically the same as those who formerly were known as Chiliasts, although their systems differ in several important respects.

It should be said further in regard to Dispensationalism that while historic Premillennialism has held that the Church will go through the Tribulation, Dispensationalism holds that the Church will be raptured and so taken out of the world before that event, and that following the Rapture there will be a seven year period, during the first half of which the Jews are in covenant relationship with the Antichrist and dwell in Palestine but during the last half they endure terrible persecution under the Antichrist. At the end of the seven year period Christ returns, annihilates the Antichrist, and establishes His Kingdom in Jerusalem. The Jews are to have a position of special favor in the Kingdom, and are to remain a body distinct from the Gentiles throughout eternity. Dispensationalists are thus double ‘pre-s’ — pre-tribulation Pre-millennialists. This distinction is of great importance to the Dispensationalists, for it gives them a seven year period, allegedly the 70th week of Daniel’s prophecy (9:24-27), during which time all the events foretold in Revelation chapters 4 through 19 are to be fulfilled. That the Dispensationalists do attach great importance to this distinction is shown by the vigor with which they attack their fellow Premillennialists who are Post-tribulationalists, that is, who hold that the Church does go through the Tribulation.

Another prominent feature of Dispensationalism is its doctrine that when the Jews rejected Christ’s alleged offer of the Davidic Kingdom, the Kingdom was withdrawn, and the Church was then set up as a substitute,– this present church age being therefore an interlude or parenthesis period, during which time God deals with man through the Church until the return of Christ, when in turn the Church is to be taken away and the Kingdom established.

Dispensationalism is a comparatively recent development. These distinctive views were first effectively set forth by John N. Darby, a leader in the Plymouth Brethren group in England, about 1830, and later popularized by the Scofield Reference Bible. The real origin of the system, however, was considerably earlier, as we shall show when we discuss the history of the movement.

Primarily through the influence of the Scofield Reference Bible, with its explanatory Notes printed on the same page with the text, these views have now become the prevailing tenets of Premillennialism in the United States. They have never found creedal statement in any of the larger Protestant denominations, but are held by individuals throughout the denominations, and they are the standard belief of various Pentecostal and Holiness groups, which as a rule are not noted for scholarship or scientific research. They have been further popularized by the Bible institutes, most of which are dispensational in their teaching. These views have been just as consistently rejected and opposed in most of the theological seminaries, where scholarship and research are given more prominence, and by a large majority of the outstanding theologians.

There can be no doubt but that Premillennialism lends its self more to an emotional type of preaching and teaching than does Postmillennialism or Amillennialism. It gives something definite to look for in the immediate future and charges the present with portentous possibilities. While many who hold it do not so exploit it, it often has been used in that manner by those who are less restrained.

Premillennialism tends to make the Bible a textbook of ready reference, rather than a source book from which statements are to be collected, compared, placed in their logical relations, and so worked up into a Systematic Theology. It professes to ‘take God at His word,’ and to ‘accept the plain statement of truth as God has revealed it.’ Such reasoning has its place when directed against the Modernists who reject the doctrine of the full inspiration of the Scriptures. But it is out of place when directed against those who while accepting the doctrine of the full inspiration of Scripture nevertheless acknowledge that much truth is conveyed through figurative expressions. The fact of the matter is that God’s revelation as found in the Bible contains many deep mysteries and secrets which always have and probably always will challenge the intellects of even the wisest of men. Superficial statements about taking God at His word and about the plain harmony of God’s word are illusory and ought to be their own refutation. Rejecting such easy solutions, we are deeply grateful for the rich heritage that the scholars and theologies of the Church have handed down to us. The deeper understanding of the Scriptures and the correlation of these doctrines is not something that can be completed in a day, or even in a lifetime, but is a task for the Church throughout the centuries. Dr. William H. Rutgers writing on this subject has well said: ‘If men are engaged in intellectual battle for centuries to settle the Christological problem, and so many other theological questions, it is not to be expected that eschatology, the most difficult problem of theological science, will be solved differently. The positiveness and assurance with which many of these Bible students speak concerning the future of God’s program, is but pride and arrogance’ (Premillennialism in America, p. 42).

Premillennialism thrives best and makes its greatest gains in time of war or of national crisis when people are anxious and worried about the future. Premillennial clergymen from all denominations gather in ‘prophetic conferences’ to discuss impending events such as the establishment of the nation of Israel in Palestine, the future movements of Russia or Germany, signs that the apostasy has about run its course, etc., as these are assumed to be foretold in the ‘hidden’ wisdom of Daniel, Ezekiel, Zechariah, or the Book of Revelation.

The earlier forms of Premillennialism as well as the present dispensational doctrines have been held usually, if not always, by a minority of Christian people. The distinctive dispensational doctrines occupy a much less prominent place in European than in American church life.

There are, then, three principal views concerning the return of Christ: the Postmillennial, which holds that He will return after the Millennium; the Premillennial, which holds that His return precedes the Millennium; and the Amillennial, which holds that there is to be no Millennium at all in the generally accepted sense of the term. Dispensationalism, sometimes looked upon as a fourth view, is in reality only a more extreme form of Premillennialism.

Little pretense can be made to originality in this book. Most of what is said here has been said before by scholars much superior to the present writer. The primary purpose of the present work is to make available in summarized and systematized form the information concerning these eschatological problems that has been wrought out through generations of careful study by the best scholars that the Church has produced, to separate truth from error, and to express that truth as clearly and convincingly as possible. The Scripture quotations are from the American Standard Version of 1901 rather than the King James Version since the former is a more accurate translation.”

Please note:  I would like to ask that if you do comment on this post to PLEASE state full scripture to back up your comment. 

15 Responses to “Postmillennialism, Premillennialism and Amillennialism”

  1. 1arabella Says:

    “I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away untill all this things have happened.” (Marc 13,30,Math 24,34, Luke 21,32) the signs of the end of the age.

    It has already happened in 70 AC. A prophesy already fulfilled.
    I will not deny, that a biblical prophesy can apply to a completly different time and situation as well and there is maybe a future event predicted , which is not revealed to me.
    Rev 20
    …Satan,and bound him for a 1000 years…to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the 1000 years were ended…I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus…they had not worshipped the beast or his image…they came to life and reigned with Jesus a 1000 years.The rest of the dead did not come to life untill the 1000 years were ended…who have part in the first resurrection,they will reign with Him for a 1000 years.” (1-6)

    The souls of the beheaded, who have not worshipped the beast came to life and reigned 1000years. Not mentionned, that they reigned on earth. The rest of the dead not yet risen — judgement has not yet happened.
    So only the martyrs were reigning with Jesus. —The 1000 years do not happen after the rising of the dead, after their judgement.
    We know from history, that in the first centuries plenty of christians were beheaded because of the word of God
    who had not worshipped the beast or received the mark of it . This sentence makes only sense, if at these times was a beast to worship and a mark to receive.
    1 John 2,18
    “…even now many antichrists have come…”
    Rev.22,20
    “…yes, I am coming SOON”

    When is soon? why are the Nt books often speaking from Him coming soon, why did they expect Jesus soon ?
    The logical answer, considering, that the Nt books are true and inspired, is, that Jesus has been coming already, the
    realm is already established and is not earthly (luke 1,33
    Luke 17,20-21)

  2. 1arabella Says:

    (continuation)
    Satan, bound…
    What happened to Satan through the cross ?
    John 12,31
    “Now is the time for judgement on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself.”

    John 14,30 John 16,11
    I have realized, that Satan in the Ot is rarely mentionned,
    but often in the NT (1 Pe 5, Mt 4,1, Mt 13,39, Acts 10,38
    Eph 4,27 +6,11 1Tim 3,7 Jas 4,7 , just to quote some)
    Defeated, but released to seduce ? Not 1000 years litterally? Yes, it makes no sense to deny that the cross had an impact on the devil and Jesus in John 12,14,16
    foretold, that the devil is to come soon. Another proof, that the 1000years have already begun.
    I assume that 1000 years are not litterally, 1000 is not litterally in these verses : Hiob 9,3 Ps 50,10 Ecc 7,28 Dan 5,1 +7,10 2Pet 3,8

    In John 12,32
    Jesus says : ” I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself.”
    When was He lifted up from the earth ? Acts 1 …will come back ….
    When I am lifted up …will draw Is this the “rapture” ?
    Can this verse serve a physical rapture ? I find no proof, that a rapture will be a physical event, taking place in our future. ( Ps 49,16 Acts 8,39 2Cor 12,2 1Thess 4,17 …)
    1 Thess 4,15
    “We who are still alive …
    What sense does it make for the Thessalonians to read chapter 4+5 if the events spoken of are of no sense for them ? Paul says very clearly, we do not know the time…
    so he did not know this could be a future event after 1960
    years, why ? Because neither Paul nor John got it like this.
    They both expected a”rapture ” to happen in their lifetime.
    Were they right to do so ? Yes, there is no contradiction to it !
    My personal key to understand the book of revelation is
    to give up the idea of a time sequence in it. And comparing
    the book to Jesus’ words. His kingdom can not be seen. The
    Jews exspected an earthly reign, they got none, the christians will neither.
    I got to understand, that events in Rev have already come to pass and are continuing to happen and will happen…the 1000 years have been being already and it seems they have already finished…there have been several days of the Lord in the OT, maybe we have to give up the idea of a final
    day of the Lord as a day that puts an end to the earth. There are scriptures, that state, the earth will last for ever
    (Jer 7,7, Ecc 1,4)

    There is only one truth, its name is Jesus. To my great grief,
    I find so many christians teaching about their interpretations of the bible, about certain theologies and they really seem to avoid Jesus. They fancy a God, who is as they want Him to be, they cherrypick the verses that support their desires… they love their life and their hope is in a life in peace and harmony, therefore they want a 1000
    years themselves reigning and all their beloved friends, no matter if Jesus knows them or not…they hate the idea, that a child is, as all, a nocent sinner, or to have to undergo a time of tribulation, they want all the blessings, exept the beatitudes (Luke 6,22 + 14,26)
    They, even with the bible in their hand, they create an idol of Jesus, they create an image of Him, after the desires of their evil hearts…
    They want the whole world to fellowship with them, they promise salvation to everybody. They reduce it to a personal decision , they commit every sin they like, because all sins were already forgiven… has Jesus told us so ???

  3. Deborah Says:

    Hi Arabella

    Gosh, your post has confused me even more. Give me sometime to go over it so I can reflect on what you are saying.

    Thanks

  4. Deborah Says:

    Hi Arabella

    >> We know from history, that in the first centuries plenty of Christians were beheaded because of the word of God
    who had not worshipped the beast or received the mark of it . This sentence makes only sense, if at these times was a beast to worship and a mark to receive.
    1 John 2,18
    “…even now many antichrists have come…”
    Rev.22,20
    “…yes, I am coming SOON”

    Yes indeed history has seen many a Christian killed. And indeed history repeats itself, hence prophecy in the bible could have been fulfilled in 70AD. However, what the bible speaks about for the end times is mentioned as being FAR FAR WORSE than anything that has taken place in History. Where the entire WORLD will be taken over by the Anti-Christ not just one country or a specific region. So yes Anti-Christ’s have come and gone but we are waiting for an Anti-Christ who will make those others seem like Childs play in comparison.

    >> When is soon? why are the NT books often speaking from Him coming soon, why did they expect Jesus soon ?
    The logical answer, considering, that the NT books are true and inspired, is, that Jesus has been coming already…

    I don’t understand what you mean here, can you please elaborate.

    >> Another proof, that the 1000 years have already begun.

    When did this 1000 years begin? Jesus was crucified over 2000 years ago. If 1000 years is not to be taken as 1000 years then why mention 1000 years. Also it was St. Augustine who came up with the notion of amillenialism and it’s something the Catholic Church rigorously believes in (from what I understand).

    Just as a matter of discussion. When the Anti-Christ forces the mark on the world, those who refuse to accept it will most probably be killed. Those who get away with being killed are probably going to starve to death. This means that a good percentage of true Christians are going to die. The bible speaks about the ‘blessed hope’. Surely there is no hope if most of us are going to die.

    Oh boy, I am confused…I need to sit down and go through all the verses in the bible and look at this more logically. You see the things is, this Pre-Trib idea is something my mother believes in and it has been passed onto me - even when I was really small I remember this teaching. So trying to come to terms with another idea is turning out to be really difficult for me.

    Having said that, just because we believe differently with regards to the tribulation does not change the fact that you/me/others are true Holy Spirit filled Christians. At the end of the day none of us know the hour or day when Jesus returns. But I am really hoping it’s before things get too bad for seriously NO ONE wants to suffer - if it happens it happens, but I don’t wish it upon anyone.

  5. 1arabella Says:

    Hi Deborah,
    we are both confused :)
    A few weeks ago I started to see signs of the endtimes “everywhere”. My husband, a spiritfilled, genuinly born-again believer in Christ does not care about. He says, it does not matter for him, what will happen in the future, he has to live like the wise virgins with the filled lamps and for him nothing would change, he tries to be ready for Jesus each day. I agree with him. But I was an university-philosopher and still have a very sophistic way to search wisdom and knowledge. One night, after praying for understanding the 1000years, I had a dream and in it I
    got some understanding. It was mostly scripture verses and the hint, that time in the spiritual realm is different from
    human time.
    So I studied every verse about the kingdom and it was so obvious then, an earthly realm after the second coming is in contradiction to what Jesus ever said in the gospels. For example about drinking wine next time in heaven, or, the kingdom is at hand, when demons were cast out, the kingdom is among us, or Col 1,13 brought us into the kingdom, Eph2,9 seated us in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus…
    so my logic-trained mind was made up.
    I am still praying and searching about rapture. I find no reason to believe in pre-trib-rapture. My problem with rapture is 1 Thess and the fact, that all the apostles in the NT exspected soon, might be coming of Christ, or an individual rapture when they died. It could be, that every believer is taken up into heaven by Jesus coming in a cloud,
    Acts 1.
    Do believers, when dead, go to the realm of death or do they go to heaven immediately? Will they be judged ?
    ( I do not exactly know yet)
    Deborah, while I write, I feel, we (you and me and all our genuine bros+sisters) will be saved, no matter, what will happen.
    The problem is with the unbelievers, they anyway must not
    idle and hesitate and delay to get right with God.
    May the Lord strengthen us to testify and evangelize!

  6. 1arabella Says:

    I remember once having translated a roman writer (Plinius
    or Cicero) who complained about decay of moral and saying,that times had never been as bad. This is echoed throughout literature. Each generation seems to have judged their lifetime to be the worst. So do I.
    James 5,7 : ” Be patient, until the Lord’s coming. Be patient and stand firm, because the Lord’s coming is near…as you know, we consider blessed those, who have persevered…
    The Lord is full of compassion and mercy.
    As Stephen could stand firm and lift up his face to heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, I have the hope, that we shall see the same
    when in tribulation.
    Rom 9,33 :”… the one who trusts in Him will never be put to shame.

  7. 1arabella Says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDCdGPJQ-hM

  8. Marc Says:

    Jesus was hidden for 30 years before He revealed Himself.
    Even after revealing Himself He charged the apostles to tell no one.
    He was only discerned by the Holy Spirit, after being proclaimed by angels.

    I believe Jesus returns in darkness (like his physical resurrection). And revealed later at a specific time.

    With all these speculations we must remember when Jesus
    came the first time He fulfilled not only the law but the times of the Jews as well. Marc 1. Like Passover, (death of Jesus) Unleavened Bread (7day feast) and Firstfruits (the true day of resurrection.) Lev 23.

    When Jesus returns He must return in a way that will fulfill the fall feasts. Trumpets, Atonement, Tabernacles.

    Everyone believed Jesus to come as a physical savior against the Romans, but he came as a Spiritual King (My kingdom is not of this world).

    And He was born under the first law to redeem those also born under the law. (the law of Moises), the OT saints.

    Established the 2nd law at Pentacost, but Jesus wasn’t there, like He wasn’t there when Moises came down with the law in Sinai.

    So for Jesus to “raise the dead” according to the NT , (the souls). Then Jesus has to born under the 2nd covenant to fulfill the times of the gentiles (Tabernacles, a feast for all nations Zachariah 14:16.).

    The first coming of Christ foreshadows the 2nd coming of Christ. The OT saints rose when Jesus died and rose physically.

    So when Jesus comes again the NT saints will resurect with Him on earth.

    We have a physical body and a spiritual one. When we receive the Holy Spirit we born from above….
    Now the spirits (clouds) that return with Jesus will resurrect on earth in New wine skins. “Born from below”.

    In Matt: 13-14. Resumes well this train of thought. Jesus asked “WHO” not what, do people say I am. In the day of Jesus they actually believed that a prophet could resurrect on earth in a new wine skin. Jesus believed this also because He asked “WHO”.

    Again John the baptist was called the “Elijah that was to come”. So we can see that the spirit of a prophet could resurrect in John for example, a new wine skin…

    So I doubt that Jesus will come as a temporal king but as Melchizadek, a high priest… A spiritual king.

    There is so much info to be had when you go to the root of the tree of our faith, like Jesus did. Because when you know the root you will know what the fruit will look like when the great harvest occurs, like now.

    Jesus would be walking the earth as we speak I wouldn’t be surprise. And even if all eyes see Jesus not all will recognise Jesus but those who are His at His coming.
    His bride, that was born at Pentacost and onwards.

    And don’t believe for one second that the second coming will bring peace. “Woe to those who desire the day of the Lord. ”

    Do a search “day of the Lord” on a bible seach engine and you will see that judgement is being served during this “day”.

    God protect us from His wrath.

  9. 1arabella Says:

    Rev. 20, 11-15
    “Earth and sky fled from his presense and there was no place for them…then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire…if anyone’s name was not found witten in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
    Rev.21, 1-4
    “Then I saw a NEW HEAVEN and a NEW EARTH, for the first heaven and earth have passed away, and thee was no longr any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jeusalem coming down from heaven from G-d…there will be no more death…for the old order of things has passed away.
    Please note, when the new earth will be made, the thousand years have passed, the devil is in the lake of fire, so are those who’s names were not in the book.
    Then the new Jerusalem, prepared as a bride will come down from the new heaven, the old order has passed away.

    “Now the dwelling of G-d is with men and he will live with them.”
    I I am looking forward to it.

  10. gingerporter Says:

    Very interesting…..I need to take this in when I am not so tired and have had more time to study…..I would like to comment and make sure as Arabella asks that all scripture is included. Wow…..Ladies this is some deep thinking….One thing that must be said…before any of the above is even considered…we must know the Lord as our personal Savior. I am glad Wounded Lily asked me to come visit.

  11. 1arabella Says:

    gingerporter,
    glad to meet a friend of woundedlily!
    To make it short for you : The thousand years have already been happening, starting either with the first casting out of demons, the death at the cross or as an ultimate start , when the temple was destroyed , 70 AC. To me, and I have to point out, I have not yet full knowledge of that, as all the apostles exspected soon and ,last chapter of Rev., Jesus himself said “soon’, it must have happened a form of ‘rapture and coming of Christ, if not, the scriptures would be wrong.
    There must be also a last rapture and last coming of Christ for those that survive the endtimes, then the devil cast into
    the fire, then rising from the death, judgement, then the old heaven and earth will pass away, then a new heaven +earth +new Jerusalem will come and the children and people of G-d will live there in a new order = eternity.
    blessings, A.

  12. Deborah Says:

    Hi gingerporter

    >> before any of the above is even considered…we must know the Lord as our personal Savior.

    Absolutely, at the end of the day, even though my view is pre-trib I will never lose focus on Jesus. If the day comes and I see the Anti-Christ and persecution is the order of the day, I’m not gonna throw in my towel for I was convinced Jesus was going to come back before the horrors were to take place. My view does not dictate my relationship with Jesus.

    This section on tribulation is merely a discussion as I myself am trying to comprehend the post-trib etc theories :)

  13. 1arabella Says:

    Deborah, which scripture supports pre-trib.?

  14. Deborah Says:

    Arabella, I’ll gather my scriptures (got a whole page of them). I’ll write them down tomorrow evening or Saturday. Then we can discuss them :) *after you come back from your holiday*

  15. Jeffrey Says:

    Arabella, I think the more LOGICAL question is, which scriptures supports amil?? I am well versed in scriptures for many years and there is not one verse that the Holy Spirit that has revealed to me that it supports such a teaching…your position on amil is VERY confusing and lacks common sense. God is not the author of confusion. Have a great day